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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;So, you&#8217;re not a real doctor then.&#8221; &#8230; Who gets to call themselves Dr.?</title>
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		<title>By: Moot Court</title>
		<link>http://lawandcourts.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/so-youre-not-a-real-doctor-then-who-gets-to-call-themselves-dr/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Moot Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 07:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so...
what&#039;s the point?
being doctor or Doctor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so&#8230;<br />
what&#8217;s the point?<br />
being doctor or Doctor?</p>
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		<title>By: cwbonneau</title>
		<link>http://lawandcourts.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/so-youre-not-a-real-doctor-then-who-gets-to-call-themselves-dr/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>cwbonneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Marcie, I just call everyone &quot;sir.&quot;  It is simple and gender-neutral.  For my classes, I insist on being called Doctor Professor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Marcie, I just call everyone &#8220;sir.&#8221;  It is simple and gender-neutral.  For my classes, I insist on being called Doctor Professor.</p>
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		<title>By: toddacollins</title>
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		<dc:creator>toddacollins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interest debate indeed.  As an example, the North Carolina bar association has issued a new opinion (2007) stating that JD&#039;s in academics can call themselves &quot;doctors&quot; but only in academic circles.  This is an exception to the normal rules that going by &quot;Dr.&quot; is misleading.  It makes you wonder what kind of lobbying efforts were conducted by academic JD&#039;s to get the change!  I have cut and pasted the old rule and the new exception from the NC Bar below. 

RPC 5
April 18, 1986

The Lawyer as &quot;doctor&quot;
 
Inquiry:

Attorney X is licensed to practice law in the State of North Carolina and holds a Juris doctor degree from an accredited university. May Attorney X ethically hold himself out as having a doctorate, using the term &quot;doctor&quot; in oral communication, referring to himself as Dr. X, and signing his name Dr. X?

Opinion:

Under the new North Carolina Rules of Professional Conduct, it is impermissible under Rule 1.2(c) to engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation and impermissible under Rule 2.1 to make a false or misleading communication about the lawyer or the lawyer&#039;s services. Other jurisdictions which have considered this question have ruled both ways. Since it does not appear to be normal practice to refer to a Juris doctor degree as simply a doctorate or to refer to an attorney holding a Juris doctor degree as &quot;doctor,&quot; the use of those terms without explanation could be misleading and therefore is inappropriate.

2007 Formal Ethics Opinion 5
April 20, 2007

Use of the Title “doctor” in Academia

Inquiry #1:

Attorney X is licensed to practice law in North Carolina and holds a Juris doctor degree from an accredited university. Attorney X is working as a full-time college instructor and is not engaged in the private practice of law. RPC 5 prohibits a lawyer from referring to himself as holding a doctorate or using the title “doctor” to refer to himself. Pursuant to the opinion, Attorney X does not refer to herself as “doctor X.” However, the title “doctor” is used by college administrators and faculty with doctorates in fields other than medicine without any apparent risk of misleading students or others within the academic community. The prevailing opinion at the college is that a law degree is of lesser stature or value than other degrees because the title “doctor” does not attach. May Attorney X, and other lawyers who work in academia, use the designation “doctor” within that community?

Opinion:

Yes. RPC 5 provides as follows:

Since it does not appear to be normal practice to refer to a Juris doctor degree as simply a [d]octorate or to refer to an attorney holding a Juris doctor degree as “doctor,” the use of those terms without explanation could be misleading and therefore is inappropriate.

Nevertheless, in academic communities, including community colleges and other post-secondary school institutions of higher education, where individuals with doctoral and other advanced degrees comparable to the juris doctor degree are routinely and traditionally referred to as “doctor,” it is not misleading and not inappropriate for a person holding a juris doctor degree to refer to himself or herself as “doctor.” The use of the designation “doctor,” however, is specifically limited: a lawyer may use the designation only when working or otherwise participating in a function associated with a post-secondary school institution of higher education. In all other contexts, a lawyer may not refer to himself or herself as “doctor.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interest debate indeed.  As an example, the North Carolina bar association has issued a new opinion (2007) stating that JD&#8217;s in academics can call themselves &#8220;doctors&#8221; but only in academic circles.  This is an exception to the normal rules that going by &#8220;Dr.&#8221; is misleading.  It makes you wonder what kind of lobbying efforts were conducted by academic JD&#8217;s to get the change!  I have cut and pasted the old rule and the new exception from the NC Bar below. </p>
<p>RPC 5<br />
April 18, 1986</p>
<p>The Lawyer as &#8220;doctor&#8221;</p>
<p>Inquiry:</p>
<p>Attorney X is licensed to practice law in the State of North Carolina and holds a Juris doctor degree from an accredited university. May Attorney X ethically hold himself out as having a doctorate, using the term &#8220;doctor&#8221; in oral communication, referring to himself as Dr. X, and signing his name Dr. X?</p>
<p>Opinion:</p>
<p>Under the new North Carolina Rules of Professional Conduct, it is impermissible under Rule 1.2(c) to engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation and impermissible under Rule 2.1 to make a false or misleading communication about the lawyer or the lawyer&#8217;s services. Other jurisdictions which have considered this question have ruled both ways. Since it does not appear to be normal practice to refer to a Juris doctor degree as simply a doctorate or to refer to an attorney holding a Juris doctor degree as &#8220;doctor,&#8221; the use of those terms without explanation could be misleading and therefore is inappropriate.</p>
<p>2007 Formal Ethics Opinion 5<br />
April 20, 2007</p>
<p>Use of the Title “doctor” in Academia</p>
<p>Inquiry #1:</p>
<p>Attorney X is licensed to practice law in North Carolina and holds a Juris doctor degree from an accredited university. Attorney X is working as a full-time college instructor and is not engaged in the private practice of law. RPC 5 prohibits a lawyer from referring to himself as holding a doctorate or using the title “doctor” to refer to himself. Pursuant to the opinion, Attorney X does not refer to herself as “doctor X.” However, the title “doctor” is used by college administrators and faculty with doctorates in fields other than medicine without any apparent risk of misleading students or others within the academic community. The prevailing opinion at the college is that a law degree is of lesser stature or value than other degrees because the title “doctor” does not attach. May Attorney X, and other lawyers who work in academia, use the designation “doctor” within that community?</p>
<p>Opinion:</p>
<p>Yes. RPC 5 provides as follows:</p>
<p>Since it does not appear to be normal practice to refer to a Juris doctor degree as simply a [d]octorate or to refer to an attorney holding a Juris doctor degree as “doctor,” the use of those terms without explanation could be misleading and therefore is inappropriate.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, in academic communities, including community colleges and other post-secondary school institutions of higher education, where individuals with doctoral and other advanced degrees comparable to the juris doctor degree are routinely and traditionally referred to as “doctor,” it is not misleading and not inappropriate for a person holding a juris doctor degree to refer to himself or herself as “doctor.” The use of the designation “doctor,” however, is specifically limited: a lawyer may use the designation only when working or otherwise participating in a function associated with a post-secondary school institution of higher education. In all other contexts, a lawyer may not refer to himself or herself as “doctor.”</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent some time teaching in Central Europe about 15 years ago. At the time, I had only completed a Master&#039;s degree, but everyone kept addressing me as &quot;Doctor&quot;. After I had demurred over and over again, someone finally explained to me that they refer to pretty much everyone with a college degree as &quot;Doctor&quot; (or &quot;Engineer&quot; for people with technical education).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent some time teaching in Central Europe about 15 years ago. At the time, I had only completed a Master&#8217;s degree, but everyone kept addressing me as &#8220;Doctor&#8221;. After I had demurred over and over again, someone finally explained to me that they refer to pretty much everyone with a college degree as &#8220;Doctor&#8221; (or &#8220;Engineer&#8221; for people with technical education).</p>
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		<title>By: abwhitford</title>
		<link>http://lawandcourts.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/so-youre-not-a-real-doctor-then-who-gets-to-call-themselves-dr/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>abwhitford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bulldog20</title>
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		<dc:creator>bulldog20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to take the MDs down.  They have been far too arrogant with the Dr. title for far too long.  Dr has been used for other professions longer than the MDs have been using it.  What would be better would be a separate title for the medical folks and the rest of us... like the French do with the word medicine (a doctor of medicine) (not sure if my spelling is good for the French there).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to take the MDs down.  They have been far too arrogant with the Dr. title for far too long.  Dr has been used for other professions longer than the MDs have been using it.  What would be better would be a separate title for the medical folks and the rest of us&#8230; like the French do with the word medicine (a doctor of medicine) (not sure if my spelling is good for the French there).</p>
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